Hi Reader,
Today’s episode is a little different—we recorded it at Life.Church with Craig Groeschel and performance psychologist Dr. Wayne Chappelle (the guy Craig calls a “freak of nature”… in the best way).
Craig shares something most leaders don’t say out loud: he hit a wall so hard he honestly thought, “This job will kill me.” Not because his faith or marriage were falling apart. Not because the ministry wasn’t “working.” But because his drive (the thing that made him effective) slowly became the thing that was depleting him.
Dr. Chappelle unpacks what was really happening, burnout without a “clinical diagnosis”, and what usually follows if you ignore the warning lights.
They also talk about the “wingman” every pastor needs: people who encourage you and tell you the truth before you drift into danger.
If you’re tired, sprinting, or quietly carrying more than you admit, this conversation could be a turning point.
🎧 Listen now and take the next step toward healthier leadership. Watch it on YouTube or tune in wherever you listen to podcasts.
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