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Why “Woke” Broke in 2024 – A game-changing conversation with Mark Sayers


Hi Reader,

The world is shifting at warp speed—politically, culturally, and spiritually. If you’ve felt like your head is spinning trying to keep up, you’re not alone. As church leaders, we’re feeling the ripple effects everywhere.

How do we lead in an era where old assumptions no longer hold?

In this episode of the podcast, Mark Sayers breaks down:
👉 Why “woke” broke in 2024—and the massive shift to the right that's replacing it
👉 The cultural and political upheaval that’s redefining leadership
👉 The spiritual hunger rising in unexpected places
👉 How the Church can be a pillar of stability in uncertain times

Mark has a unique way of pulling back the curtain on what’s really happening—and what leaders need to do next. If you want to lead well in this new era, this conversation is a must-listen.

That's why I loved today's podcast conversation.

Mark Sayers brings astonishing insight into the rapid cultural, economic, and political change we're seeing right now in America and globally. We cover why woke broke, the massive upheaval of the status quo being ushered by Trump and his cadre, and how to find hope for the church in the new global chaos.

Watch it on YouTube or tune in wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Go Deeper

My #1 takeaway from this conversation.

"Why Woke Broke" isn't just a catchy headline—it's reality. We're living through the biggest cultural earthquake since WWII. Pastors who understand this Trump-era upheaval will navigate their congregations through the chaos toward genuine hope.

Those who don't will leave people floundering.

Episode questions.

Here are 3 questions you can ask yourself as you listen to the episode. You can also use these as discussion starters with friends, a mentor, or staff.

  1. Are we building platforms or pillars?
  2. How can we disciple people for resilience in an era of instability?
  3. Are we helping people recognize and respond to rising spiritual hunger?

Transcript and links.

Mark Sayers' Website

Mark Sayers' Instagram

Mark Sayers' X

Platforms to Pillars by Mark Sayers

Rebuilders Podcast with Mark Sayers

Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman

American Cosmic by D.W. Pasulka

Private Truths, Public Lies by Timur Kuran

Trump: The Art of the Deal by Donald Trump

The Tim Ferriss Show

The Diary of a CEO with Steven Bartlett

Episode 653 with Ken Costa

Yanis Varoufakis

Joel Kotkin

Episode 339 with Tim Keller

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