Hi Reader,
Today’s episode is one I’ve wanted to bring you for a long time.
Beth Moore joins me for a candid conversation about leadership, calling, and the cost of conviction. We talk about how to know when it’s time to leave—whether that’s a role, a church, or even a denomination—and why many leaders stay far past the moment God first starts nudging them to go.
Beth also goes where many leaders won’t: the difference between fighting against something and fighting for something… and why so many public battles online don’t produce real change.
And we address a reality you've asked for more on this year: why women are leaving the church.
Beth shares what she’s seen over decades of ministry, why “proof-texting to protect power” is devastating for women, and what it looks like to honor Scripture while treating women with dignity, safety, and respect.
If you’re leading in a complicated moment (and who isn’t?), this episode will help you think clearly and lead faithfully.
🎧 Listen now and take the next step toward healthier leadership. Watch it on YouTube or tune in wherever you listen to podcasts.
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